Thu 19 Jan 2006
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Looking at the reccomendations for needle sizes on vintage patterns often can be daunting. You see size 13 needles on a small guage and just think to yourself “that can’t be”. We’ll, I’ll try to clear things up for you a bit. Please use this information as a guide and remember to always make a test swatch to check your guage.
First off there is US sizes, the kind were used to here in the states. Basically in our knitting life we use size 0-9 , 0 being small, 9 being large. Sometimes different companies over here also use metric sizes for needles. Since metric is what we use here still, you can find metric sizes on most modern knitting needle measurement cards. So far I have found one US acception in the Columbia and Minerva knitting books. They call for steel needles which are sized more like UK needles, even though their celluloid and bone needles are sized by standard US measurements. Don’t confuse these metal needles with aluminum needles. I believe Boye needle sizes have not changed over the years. I have picked up some vintage Boye needles and their sizes matched up normally to my other needles. Overseas in the UK their scale is quite different. The larger numbers like 13 are smaller needles. Canadian printed patterns also used this sizing as well as vintage Australian patterns. I am told Australian patterns switched over and now uses the US metric sizes now so be aware. Here is the list of some yarn pattern companies I have collected knitting books from. I have decifered what size needles they go by. UK: Lux, Beehive, Monarch |
I have scanned for you a few vintage guage cards to view, click here


January 20th, 2006 at 2:43 pm
i’m australian and we also used to use UK sizes over here for many years. however, now we…as well as the UK in general have converted to metric needle sizes. the old gauge needles are only listed on those vintage patterns you are so fond of.
as an aside did you know UK needles sizes were actually based on the old wire gauge sizes?
January 20th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
I should add that to my post. I have seen old Australian books with UK sizes. That must be more confusing to people over if the switch was made. At least most books tell gauge so you have an idea.
I didn’t know that it was based on wire gauge sizes. That is very interesting!
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:21 pm
Thanks for your advise! This is really useful.
May 13th, 2006 at 4:37 am
Thank you for this information on needle sizes. You have been a lifesaver as I am about to knit a baby blanket for a friend from a very old pattern. I’m in Australia and the pattern’s instructions are using ozs and UK size needles. Once again, thank you so much.
September 16th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
Great information on the knitting needle sizes. I am from Canada but most of my patterns were my grandma’s so they are all in UK/Canadian sizes. Do you by chance know how to convert yarns as well. It is prettly self explanitory when they call for baby or chuncky but what is superior double knitting, fingering, lustre crepe???? Can you help? Thanks!
September 18th, 2006 at 9:40 am
Yarn is defiantely a harder task to convert. Some brands and descriptions are obsolete to what we use and name these days.
This website has some information that might help you though:
http://www.vintageknits.com/vintyarn1.html
October 13th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
I have in my poccesion a Monarch Needle No. 2 patented in Canada Dec. 2 1924. Could be used for Persian rugs, baby carriage covers, Hat trimmings or to decorate table and other lines, curtains etc. Price was $1.00. I am trying to find what value this might have. Your help would be much appreciated. I have been on ebay etc. Please direct me to somewhere I could find out more info. Thank you.
October 13th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Hello,
I don’t think I can help you with that. Sorry!
November 3rd, 2006 at 11:56 am
oooh this is great! Thanks for having this up! Now it looks like I need a size 8 needle.. will have to play around with yarn gauges to see about the right yarn though!! Thanks!
March 20th, 2007 at 3:58 am
Great explanation of the sizings. I collect old needles just so I can knit my old patterns!(aussie, english or USA…I love them all) I think it’s sad that wool/yarn companies don’t give an approximate ply to most of their new products. The new “fancy” blends stc are lovely….but surely they could give us all a hint? after all I’m sure we all knit a test square…..it just mightsave us knitting several!!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 am
Thank you for your tips Rhiannon. I have just started knitting after a break of 20 years. I kept all my needles but not the patterns. So I needed to know what needles to use with the new pattern I have just bought. You were the first link that came up on my Google query -thanks again Jean
July 31st, 2007 at 2:45 am
I have a Victorian evening bag. I have been
trying to recreate it, but size 14 needles
are not thin enough. Could anyone tell me
if there were thinner needles then. I found the information that originally needle sizes
were based on the gauge of wire, very interesting
Thank you,hopefully.
BJ England
August 20th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for compiling this list. I have a great WWII stocking pattern I’m about to start but of course it called for beehive size 12 needles. Much appreciated.
Corinna
September 1st, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Hi, Does anyone know what yarn is comaparable today to replace Jack Frost Willow yarn. Also my vintage pattern book calls for sizes 12, 14 ,and 16……….Is that small, medium and large. Also size 13 needles…….would that be a us 1? Thank you as I have had this book for a while and would love to knit some of the sweaters of the 1940’s. Thankin you in advance for any information, Janna
September 29th, 2007 at 5:00 am
Thanks for this site and information. I was given a whole bag of needles by an Aunt of mine many years ago, UK, U.S. and German make. I have alot of old patterns as well as some newer ones and some of the needles don’t have their packaging anymore. I was never sure which was a 10 or a 3mm or what. This has helped a great deal.
November 19th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
Hey, thanks for the interesting write-up. I am becoming quite proficient at converting the sizes in my head because I am an Aussie who likes knitting and crochetting from old op-shop patterns which use a mixture of UK, USA and metric sizes. I find it quite amusing that the USA is now using metric sizes when they have the reputation of being such staunch opponents of the metric system. Or maybe I have the wrong impression?
December 31st, 2007 at 2:35 pm
My first time on this site. Thanks I learned a lot about needle sizes. I knit in a seniors group (I’m the “baby”) so I’m trying different patterns all the time. I just started knitting 1 year ago-last time as a teen-ager.
I’ve been dubbed a knit-a-holic by my family.
I like the web site and the comments. I have trouble with sock patterns as I have a tiny foot (how about shoe size 2-1/2 - 3). I like a lot of patterns but I’m unsure how to size them down to fit.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Does anyone know of a knitting pattern for a tea cosy that was made during the 50’s or 60’s probably in the U.K?? It uses two colors and loops the yarn to make up and down stripes. On the top she would make two or three pom poms of the alternate colors to finish off. My mother in England used to make them and I would like to make one too but can’t find any pattern. Any help would be appreciated.
January 21st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Does anyone know of a knitting pattern for a tea cosy that was made during the 50’s or 60’s in the U.K. My mother in England would make this tea cosy — It uses two colors and loops the yarn to make up and down stripes - she would then put two or three pom poms on the top to finish off. I can’t find any pattern these days in America where I now live. Any suggestions I would appreciate. Thank you.
September 22nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
I found some old Fleisher’s double pointed knitting needles in my grandma’s stuff and wondered what they are made of…they are an ivory yellow color…she knitted mostly in the 1920’s to 1940’s…any ideas????
September 22nd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Carrie,
They could be a vintage plastic of some sort, bakelite or lucite? If they are really old, maybe bone or ivory?! Your guess is as good as mine!
September 26th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
This is in reply to BJ Says:
July 31st, 2007 :
She was asking about smaller needles than the Size 14. A very good friend of my mothers back in the 50’s did a lot of fine knitting on such very fine needles (!!), absolutely beautiful work, so if anybody is into the very fine knitting, she used the spokes off Bicycle Wheels, her husband filed them down to a point and she used an Elastic Band at the end to stop the stitches falling off. This lady used to knit Suits for herself, Jacket and Skirt, absolutely wonderful to see…I know that BJ posted back in 2007, but maybe just maybe she is still reading. By the way, I am from Australia.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I just picked up a 1902 pattern book by Bear Brand- the needle sizes didn’t quite flummox me as I am an Englishwoman in America and so figured them to be English sizes
That being said, I wanted to double check, and yours was the first site that popped up! Thanks for the tips!